Request for Changes Fully Accessible Vehilces Answers 4-23-19.xlsx
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- Suffolk County, Massachusetts
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This document details a Request for Responses (RFR) issued by the Massachusetts Department of Transportation (MassDOT) Rail and Transit Division and the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) for the procurement of six types of fully accessible body-on-chassis vans and minibuses on an annual basis. MassDOT is the lead procuring agency, acquiring vehicles for use with the Federal Transit Administration's Section 5310 program, while the MBTA will use the vehicles for the Ride program. The RFR outlines technical specifications, delivery requirements, and procurement processes, with a due date for proposals and an anticipated contract start date.
The RFR provides details on pricing, including requirements for price proposals, capital spare parts, and potential options for CNG or propane conversions. It does not identify any set-asides or incumbent contractors. Funding for the procurement will come from federal and state sources, though specific amounts are not provided. Bidders are required to meet various certification and compliance requirements as part of their submissions.
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| MDOTBOSTONFEDBUSFY20-Fully Accessible Vans & Minibuses | |||||
| Questions | Date Submitted | User Created | Subject | Questions | Answers |
| 1 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF Section 1.1.1 and 1.5 | Paragraph 1.1.1 states that the minimum GVWR for this vehicle class shall be not less than 9,900 while Paragraph 1.5 lists the RAM Promaster as an acceptable chassis for the bus to be built on. The RAM Promaster is a 9,350 GVWR chassis. Please amend the minimum GVWR to 9,350 for consistency and inclusion of a bus built on a RAM Promaster 3500 Cutaway with a GVWR of 9,350 pounds | Approved |
| 2 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF Section 1.1 | This paragraph states that the "design life" for this vehicle class shall be 7 years. The Altoona durability class for this vehicle Class is 5 yrs/150,00 miles and the warranty provisions for the LF class referenced in Section 15 do not exceed 5 years. Please adjust the "design life" of the LF class to be consistent with the warranty and Altoona durability test requirements of 5 years or please explain the relevance of the 7 year "design life" requirement as it relates to warranty and expected service life. | Design Life refers to a reasonble expectation of vehicle life beyond warranty and Altoona Testing. |
| 3 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF Section 2.3.1.4 | Request that the exhaust routing extending the required minimum distance beyond the bumper straight back on the curb side approximately 30" from the curb side of the bus. As a Low Floor bus all passenger load and unload from the main passenger door in the front of the vehicle and the exhaust is nowhere near the proximity of the bus. Unlike a traditional bus with a wheelchair lift in the rear of the bus where the wheelchair occupants would be in the proximity of the exhaust on the curb side, this style of Low floor bus makes the routing of the exhaust to the street side a moot point. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 4 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | 18.1 Submission Requirements | Is MassDOT requiring an electrical submission and/or a paper submission? Both are listed in the specifications | Both electronically via Commbuys and 6 hard copies of loose-leaf three ring binder (section 8.6) |
| 5 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Bid Bond | Is there a bid bond requirement? | No |
| 6 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | 8.2, Electronic Proposal | How should an electronic proposal be submitted? Are there additional requirements (USB, CD, etc.)? | Both electronically via Commbuys and 6 hard copies of loose-leaf three ring binder (section 8.6) |
| 7 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment B - Page 73 - Mobility Device Aid Ramp | There is no 32 inch wide, side-entry ramp made in the industry. ADA requires 30 inches of useable width. Please accept our standard of 31 inches useable width, as an approved equal | Approved for wheelchair accessible minivans. |
| 8 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 57 - Mirrors 2.3.9 | Please accept Rosco mirrors as an approved equal | Denied |
| 9 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 62 - Back-Up Alarm 2.6.4 | Please accept Ecco 510 (102 DB) as an approved equal | Denied |
| 10 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 58 - Heater/Defroster 2.4 | Please accept step heater as an approved equal | Denied. Step heater is required in section 2.4.4 |
| 11 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 67 - Wall Construction 2.7.10 | Please accept manufacturer's standard. Exterior body materials are fabricated of a matrix of fiberglass reinforced plastic with an inner thickness of resin-hardened craft honeycomb material | Denied |
| 12 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 84 - Floor (Wheel Well) 2.7.13.4 | Please accept manufacturer's standard wheel housing construction of 14-gauge steel | Denied |
| 13 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 67 - Floor 2.7.13.1 | Please accept salt test at 1000 hours | Denied |
| 14 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 69 - Steps and Stepwell 2.7.14.3 | Please accept ground to first step height at 11.5 inches | Approved |
| 15 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 84 - Safety Equipment (Mobile Video Recording) 2.11.7 | Is MassDOT requiring a total of 2 cameras? The manufacturer's build includes 1 camera | 2 cameras |
| 16 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 80 - Passenger Seating 2.8.2.7 | Please accept a seatbelt extension at a minimum of 12 inches | Approved |
| 17 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Page 61 - Electrical System 2.6.1.3 | Slam latch is not available. Please accept the manufacturer's standard positive latching system | Approved |
| 18 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Price Proposal - Capital Spare Parts | Under 'Proposal Notes' #5 is missing | Form is updated |
| 19 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Price Proposal - Captial Spare Parts | Is MassDOT asking for range pricing on these parts? Different models require and are bid with/in different sizes (e.g. A/C, axles, engines, etc.) | No, we are not asking for range. |
| 20 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Forms - MassDOT Standard Contract Form | Is MassDOT requiring any fields to be completed on this form? | No, unless notified of selection at which point Massdot will provide it pre-filled for signature. |
| 21 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Forms/Certifications - Inspection, Pre-Award, Buy America | Please confirm if these forms are required with proposal submission: (1) On-Site Manufacturer Inspection Compliance Certification (2) Pre-Award/Buy America, Rolling Stock (Recipient) (3) Pre-Award FMVSS Compliance Certification (4) Pre-Award Purchaser's Requirement Certification | Section 1.11.1 clearly lists all items due with proposal. |
| 22 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment C - Page 109 - Seating 2.8.1.1 and 2.8.2.1 | Camira Rhino Vinyl is not available. Please accept Freedman Seating H.D Gray Vinyl | Approved for wheelchair accessible minivans. |
| 23 | 3/29/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Bidder's Price Proposal - Proposal Notes - Pricing | Proposal Notes #1 states to only use proposal form for pricing. COMMBUYS is requiring a price to be entered in order to save and submit your bid. Also, it only has three (3) price placements. How should a bidder submit their pricing? | Correct, use proposal form for princing and please select no charge in the item tab- pricing are to be submitted. If you are having issue contact the Commbuys helpline . |
| 24 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF Section 2.3.4.1 | Request approved equal for the OEM aluminum wheel which is standard on our vehicle configuration in lieu of the specified OEM powder coated white wheel. | Approved |
| 25 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF Section 2.3.4.3 | Request approved equal for the wheel well design of our vehicle in lieu of the specified rear mud flaps. the wheel well design combined with the low floor structure eliminates the need for a traditional mud flap. Our design will not accommodate a traditional rear mud flap. | Approved for low floor front wheel drive minibuses, provided this configuration complies with all federal and State requirements. |
| 26 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.3.8.9 | Request approved equal for the OEM telescoping steering wheel without tilt feature. A tilt wheel is not available on the Ramp Promaster 3500 cutaway. | Approved. |
| 27 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.3.8.14 | Request approved equal to make the standard cruise control inoperative in lieu of no cruise control. | Approved |
| 28 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.3.9 | Request approved equal for the OEM factory powered swing out mirrors in lieu of the specified aftermarket Safe Fleet mirrors. The OEM mirrors have all of the required features of the specified Safe Fleet mirrors including:heated, remote powered, integrated side LED turn signals, convex lens built in, swing out. A picture with a cross reference to this section has been submitted for review. | Approved for low floor front wheel drive minibuses, provided this configuration complies with all federal and State requirements. |
| 29 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 15 - Warranty Requirements (page BP-132) | Please accept Elkhart Coach's standard warranty for body structure and cross members of 6 years / 76,000 miles. | Denied |
| 30 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 15 - Warranty Requirements (page BP-132) | Please accept Freedman Seating Warranty of 5 years for Camira vinyl covering specified, 5 years for metal components, 3 years for plastic components and moving components, 1 year for gas shock components and 2 years for upholstered components (foam). | Approved |
| 31 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 1.1 - Scope and 2.7.25 Body Dimensions (page 46 & 77) | The Type E2b is significantly overweight in the rear on an 11,500 lb GVWR Ford Chassis. Please allow this bus to be built on a 158" wheelbase chassis with a GVWR of 12,500 lbs. | Denied |
| 32 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.1 - Equipment: Engine (page 53) | Ford has announced that the 2019 model year for Econoline will end in December with Final Orders due August 30, 2019. There will be no 2020 model year and the 2021 model year will start on January 2, 2020. The 6.2L V8 and the 6.8L V10 will both be discontinued and replaced with a new 7.3L V8 for 2021 model year chassis. The information about this new engine is extremely limited at this time. As pricing for 2021 model year will not be available prior to the bid deadline, we will be bidding 2019 chassis as specified. Please accept the 7.3L V8 engine as equal, as it will be the only engine available when this contract begins. | Approved |
| 33 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.3.9 - Mirrors (page 57) | REQUEST: Please accept Rosco heated/ remote mirrors with turn signals that meet the specification as equal to Safe Fleet. The Safe Fleet mirrors specified are only 6"x12", which is considerably smaller than the Rosco mirrors and most standard mirrors for buses of these sizes. The Rosco mirrors are 8"x16" and will provide a better view of the area alongside and behind the bus. These will be the same mirrors that MassDOT has been receiving on current Type D buses with the addition of the marker light feature specified. | Denied |
| 34 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.3.9 - Mirrors (page 57) | Please accept a Rosco full size rearview mirror with built-in 7" monitor for the standard backup camera in lieu of the OEM rearview mirror. | Denied |
| 35 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.5.11 - Air Conditioning (page 60) | REQUEST: MOBILE CLIMATE CONTROL RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THE FOLLOWING. Please change ?The condenser housing shall be constructed of heavy-duty aluminum.? to read: ?The condenser housing shall be constructed of heavy-duty aluminum, and/or heat-fused, epoxy powder coated, zinc galvanized, military-grade steel.? | Approved |
| 36 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.6.1.1 - Electrical (page 61) | Please accept that batteries will be secured to the roll out tray using a 5/8" wide stainless steel securement bracket that goes over the battery and is secured with a nut and bolt as approved equal to the clamps specified. PHOTO PROVIDED | Approved |
| 37 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7 Body Construction (page 64-66) | Please accept manufacturer's standard construction methods and materials for the bus body as equal to that specified for types E2, C and D. These methods and materials have passed 7 year Altoona test and are FMVSS, FMCSR and QVM certified, including FMVSS 220. They are the same methods and materials used to produce over 200 buses currently in service in the Commonwealth of MA. The body designs listed for the Type E category of buses and the design listed for Type C & D categories are proprietary to one manufacturer. If other manufacturer's body designs are not allowed then all other manufacturers will effectively be eliminated from bidding. MANUFACTURER'S BODY DESIGN IS DESCRIBED IN THE QUESTIONS BELOW. | Denied. |
| 38 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.5 through 2.7.10 - Body Construction | REQUEST - PLEASE ACCEPT BUS MANUFACTURERS STANDARD WALL STRUCTURE AS EQUAL TO THOSE SPECIFIED. Body Side Wall Framework Construction consisting of vertical Steel 16 Gauge Roll Formed Steel, (nominal dimensions 1? X 2?), and 1? x 2? steel tubing vertical support columns, in conjunction with 1? x 1? steel tubing for both lateral and vertical support. Vertical support columns equally spaced on standard 38? Max. on-center dimensions. All non-supporting members, (i.e. window and door frame structures), to be constructed of 16 gauge 1? x 1? and 1? x 2? steel tubing. Body Rear wall framework is constructed of 16 gauge steel tubing welded together to form the back of the steel cage. | Denied |
| 39 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.5 through 2.7.10 - Body Construction | REQUEST - PLEASE ACCEPT BUS MANUFACTURERS STANDARD EXTERIOR PANELS AS EQUAL TO THOSE SPECIFIED. . Body panels are comprised of both exterior and interior ?layered? panels that are vacuum laminated to the body structure framework sub-assemblies, . Exterior wall body panels are comprised of 0.040? thick fiberglass panels having baked white gloss enamel finish, (matching exterior color of Ford OEM cab). Exterior panels are vacuum laminated to Azdel panels utilizing a moisture cured, high contact urethane adhesive. | Denied |
| 40 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.5 through 2.7.10 - Body Construction | REQUEST - PLEASE ACCEPT BUS MANUFACTURERS STANDARD INTERIOR PANELS AS EQUAL TO THOSE SPECIFIED. THIS INCLUDES ROOF AND WALL PANELS. Interior wall body panels are comprised of 0.046? Fiber-Reinforced-Plastic, light gray in color. Interior wall body panels are vacuum laminated to 0.11? luan plywood panels utilizing a moisture cured, high contact urethane adhesive. Interior roof panel is comprised of a single seamless 0.046? panel having a standard gloss gray finish matching the color of the body?s interior rear and side wall panels. Interior seamless roof panel is vacuum laminated to 0.20? luan plywood panels utilizing a moisture cured, high contact urethane adhesive. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 41 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.5 through 2.7.10 - Body Construction | REQUEST - PLEASE ACCEPT BUS MANUFACTURERS STANDARD ROOF PANELS AS EQUAL TO THOSE SPECIFIED. Exterior seamless FRP roof panel is vacuum laminated to 0.11? Aadel panels utilizing a moisture cured, high contact urethane adhesive. (Seams are only at the junction of the front cap and the junction of the rear cap) | Approved |
| 42 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7 - Body Construction | REQUEST - PLEASE ACCEPT BUS MANUFACTURERS STANDARD FINAL STAGE CONSTRUCTION AS EQUAL TO THOSE SPECIFIED. Exterior and interior side wall panels are vacuum laminated to the steel structure framework of the individual body panels, side and rear wall and roof sub-assemblies utilize a moisture cured, high contact urethane adhesive. Finished laminated body sidewalls, rear wall and roof sub-assemblies are welded to the chassis mounted body floor structure framework, thus providing a complete unitized body with integrated steel superstructure. Steel sub floor structure is isolated from the chassis by means of standard Ford OEM supplied elastomeric body isolation mounts. The sub floor is bolted to the OEM chassis frame through the individual body isolation mounts utilizing Ford OEM bolts, nuts and washers. Body isolation mount bolts are tightened to the proper Ford QVM torque specification as specified in the Ford body-builders specification manual. When tightened the body mounts have an approximate thickness of .876? and 1.04? for the top and bottom mounts respectively. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 43 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.14.6 - Steps and Stepwell (page 69) | CLARIFICATION: The standard (non-raised) floor stepwell has risers that are angled back in order to provide additional tread surface. Please confirm that this does not voilate the spec which indicates "No angled or half-steps will be accepted" | No angled or half-steps refers for actual steps in the bus - not to risers |
| 44 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | 2.7.15.3 Front Passenger Door (page 70) | REQUEST: Please accept the standard A&M ambulatory entrance door panels as equal. A&M door features a key-lock joint and is corrosion resistant through the use of aluminum, stainless steel and zinc plating. It has a torque arm on the upper hinge, tempered glass, tough clear coat and anodized finish, as well as a radius edge for clean mating to seal. Its design ensures an unequalled, strong closing and the actuator will reliably hold the door shut, even at highway speeds. | Approved |
| 45 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | 2.7.17.1 - Lift Door (page 71) | REQUEST: Please accept a lift door opening measurement of 43.5" wide X 68" high for buses under 22' long, vs. 45" wide, as specified. 43.5" meets ADA requirements and is sufficient to allow the lift to operate without obstruction. | Denied |
| 46 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.23.4 - Passenger Lighting (page 75) | REQUEST: Please accept entry stepwell lights that are hooded and meet ADA requirements but are surface mounted not flush mounted. | Denied |
| 47 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.24.9 - Stanchions and Guard Rails (page 76) | REQUEST: Please clarify that a stanchion and cross rail between the tiedown position and the first row of seats is really desired, as this would restrict movement in the wheelchair area. | The cross rail is required on all buses with wheelchair lifts forward of the rear axle and on flat floor buses with more than two wheelchair positions. |
| 48 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.25 Body Dimensions, Type E2 (page 77) | REQUEST: Please accept that overall height on Type E2 buses will be 114" maximimum for standard floor buses and 116" maximum for raised flat floor buses. | Approved |
| 49 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.7.25 Body Dimensions, Type E2 (page 77) | REQUEST - Please allow a 158" long wheelbase for Type E2a. This is necessary to allow enough room in front of the rear axle for the lift to be between the wheelwell and the front entry door and is necessary to allow the bus to be long enough to fit the wheelchair tiedown positions specified along the streetside wall without having an overhang behind the rear axle that is longer than regulations allow. | Denied |
| 50 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.8.2.2 - Passenger Seating (page 79) | REQUEST: Please accept a measurement of 14" aisle between armrests. | Denied |
| 51 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.8.2.6 Passenger Seating (page 79) | REQUEST: Please remove the requirement that shoulder belts have a vertical slide, which is not available on aftermarket belts. | Approved |
| 52 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.8.2.7 Passenger Seating (page 80) | REQUEST: Please accept 12" seat belt extensions, which are the longest currently available. | Approved |
| 53 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.10.1 - Lift (page 81) | Clarification: This section states that sub-recipients shall have the choice to have wheelchair lift installed in the rear or the front of the bus. Please consider clarifying this statement for Type E, C and D buses so that it applies to E2a, Ca and Da configurations only. Front lift configuration for Type E2b will require a longer wheelbase @ 158", raised floor and a longer bus body or a change from rigid to foldaway seats in some positions. Front Lift for Type Cb will require a raised floor and either a longer bus body or change to foldaway seats and Db will require a raised floor and change to foldaway seats. All of these items add considerable cost. | All front lift equipped buses will require a raised floor. |
| 54 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 2.10.1 Lift (page 81) | If MassDOT does not wish to grant the request above please add additional pricing lines for Type E2b, Cb and Db front lift units to the price proposal form so we can properly account for the additional items required. | All front lift equipped buses will require a raised floor. |
| 55 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 4.2 Pilot Vehicle (page 91) | REQUEST: Please accept that an A/C pulldown test may be performed at the Air Conditioner manufacturer's facility in Pennsylvania after the bus leaves the factory. | Approved |
| 56 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 5.5 - Inspection and Testing (page 93) | REQUEST: Please accept that a speedometer test will not be performed. Ford QVM does not permit altering the vehicle in any way that could affect the calibration of the speedometer. | Approved |
| 57 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 9.5 - Manuals (page 97) | Please accept that the electrical manual will consist of a laminated legend on the electrical box door and a PDF on a provided thumb drive. | All front manuals equipped buses will require a raised floor. |
| 58 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 10.0 - CNG Conversion Option (page 98) | Type E2 buses will not have enough remaining GVWR on a 138" wheelbase chassis for a CNG Conversion. | Statement without a request. This belongs in proposal. |
| 59 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 10.0 - CNG Conversion Option (page 98) | Type C buses will not have sufficient space for a 40GGE conversion on a 158" wheelbase. The maximum GGE attainable will be 38 | Denied |
| 60 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 10.0 - CNG Conversion Option (page 98) | Request: Please allow CNG converted Type D buses to have a wheelbase stretched to 186". This is required in order to meet rear axle weight limits with a 40 GGE conversion. | Denied |
| 61 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 10.0 CNG Conversion Option (page 98) | If MassDOT does not wish to grant the request above, please allow for CNG conversion to be 30 GGE for Type D buses. | Approved provided CNG converter concurs |
| 62 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 11.0 - Propane Conversion Option (page 98) | Type E2 buses will not have enough remaining GVWR on a 138" wheelbase chassis for a Propane Conversion. | Statement without a request. This belongs in proposal. |
| 63 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 11.0 - Propane Conversion Option (page 98) | Request: Please allow Propane converted Type D buses to have a wheelbase stretched to 186". This is required in order to meet rear axle weight limits with a 40 GGE conversion. | Approved |
| 64 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Section 11.0 - Propane Conversion Option (page 98) | If MassDOT does not wish to grant the request above, please allow for Propane conversion to be 30 GGE. | Approved provided propane converter concurs with statement. |
| 65 | 3/29/19 | Glen Perlman/National Van Builders | Bidder Price Proposal Form | CLARIFICATION: The price proposal form does not have separate lines for E2b, Cb or Db models. These will differ in price significantly from the E2a, Ca and Da models. Can these lines please be added? | Yes, the form will be updated. |
| 66 | 3/29/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.5 | Request approved equal for roof mounted dual compressor dual A/C and Heat ProAir RT6595. Specification sheet sent separately. | Approved |
| 67 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.6.1 | Request approved equal for single OEM battery. Dual battery option not available on Promaster 3500 cutaway and dual battery on slide out tray not a viable solution on a low floor configuration due to space constraints; single battery configurations operating successfully in the field with transit applications and similar equipment specified in this RFR. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 68 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.6.6.5 | Request approved equal for OEM PRomaster 3500 cutaway tail lights upgraded to LED meeting all other requirements of the RFR. | Approved |
| 69 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.7 | Request approved equal for fully composite wall and roof construction utilizing next generation composite materials and construction techniques. The RFR does not acknowledge this type of bus body construction that meets all FMVSS requirements and has proven itself durable though the pass/fail Altoona 5yr testing process. Full construction documentation and test reports will be submitted at bid submission. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 70 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.7.10.4 | Request deletion of rub rail requirement. Rub rails are not part of the standard composite wall construction and while generally used in the industry to cover wall seams, the one piece composite wall structure does not require them for aesthetic purposes and provide no additional structural benefit. | Denied |
| 71 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.7.12.4 | Request deletion of padded header requirement. Flat floor at door entrance and exit provides 77" of clear door height opening to the ABS header panel mitigating the risk of head impact commonly found on a traditional 3 step exit on a standard raised floor cutaway. | Denied |
| 72 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type 2.7.15.3 | Request approved equal for T-Slider type window on the rear bus window only. T-Slider type windows not available on the side windows. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 73 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.7.18.4 | Request approved equal for 8" overhead LED light integrated into the door header designed to illuminate the entrance door and ramp eliminating the need for a second light. | Approved |
| 74 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.8.1 | Request approved equal for the OEM driver's seat ordered with upgraded "suspension seat" feature and factory commercial upholstery in black/gray. After market seat cover in Camira Rhino not available for the driver's seat. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 75 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.9.1 | Request approved equal for Slide N Click wheelchair securements vs. L-Track providing one flex wheelchair position of either 30"X 48" or 30"X 72" and one ADA position of 30" X 48" | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 76 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Scope 1.1 | The design life of these vehicles is 7 years. See next question... | Noted |
| 77 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Scope 1.5 | Bid states "The manufacturers shall certify that vehicles have been tested for 5 years, 150,000 miles ?Altoona Test? as required by FTA and provide a copy of the test report" The above listed sections do not correspond with one another. In section 1.1 it states the design life is to be 7 years. The Altoona testing in section 1.5 only asks for a 5 year 150,000 mile test. Does the state want the Altoona testing to meet the more robust 7 year 200,000 mile test to match the 7 year expected design life identified in section 1.1? | The 7 year test exceeds the requirements and therefore is acceptable. |
| 78 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac- Low Floor - Cas 2.3.8.12 | Bid States "Vehicle shall be provided with an OEM AM/FM radio with four (4) speakers. Two speakers shall be located in the cab section and two in the rear of the passenger compartment. The radio shall contain a digital clock. Request for approved equal: At this time we are asking for an approved equal to install a REI radio in leu of the OEM. The model of REI radio is ST-4000. The ST-4000 is an AM/FM/MPS/USB/SD compatible receiver with pa capabilities and digital clock. REI radios are engineered in the USA utilizing uncompromising commercial grade components and top quality materials. Developed specifically for the rigors of commercial vehicle applications, our radios provide excellent performance for use in environments subject to vibration, dynamic loads, high temperatures and humidity. REI further tests the radio?s life and durability by conducting life and stress tests that simulate years of rugged use under harsh conditions. Dependable experience and keeping a close eye on the future have made us the market leaders in commercial electronics. Experience, reliability, innovation and quality ? our ingredients in a recipe designed to guarantee your satisfaction. | Denied |
| 79 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.9.12 | Request approved equal for vertically mounted wall track to accommodate wheelchair shoulder positions consistent with ADA guidelines for shoulder belt angles. Horizontal L-Track over windows inconsistent with window positions. See question 2.9.1 for comments on "flexibility" of this method of securing wheelchair passengers. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 80 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 2.12 | Request approved equal for hot dip galvanized treatment of entire lowered floor chassis rustproofing in lieu of traditional undercoating. The hot dip galvanizing process is considered a superior and more thorough method of rust proofing over standard undercoating. | Hot dip galvanized is acceptable provided the vehicle is undercoated |
| 81 | 4/1/19 | Paul LaRose/New England Wheels, Inc. | Type LF 4.0 | Request Pilot vehicle delivery be amended to within 120 days from receipt of chassis to allow for chassis lead time and production back logs. | Approved for front wheel drive minibuses. |
| 82 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Scope 1.1 | The design life of these vehicles is 7 years. See next question... | Statement belongs in Proposal |
| 83 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Scope 1.5 | Bid states "The manufacturers shall certify that vehicles have been tested for 5 years, 150,000 miles ?Altoona Test? as required by FTA and provide a copy of the test report" The above listed sections do not correspond with one another. In section 1.1 it states the design life is to be 7 years. The Altoona testing in section 1.5 only asks for a 5 year 150,000 mile test. Does the state want the Altoona testing to meet the more robust 7 year 200,000 mile test to match the 7 year expected design life identified in section 1.1? | The anticipated design life refers to the amount of time the bus can be expected to maintain a useful life in service. |
| 84 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac- Low Floor - Cas 2.3.8.12 | Bid States "Vehicle shall be provided with an OEM AM/FM radio with four (4) speakers. Two speakers shall be located in the cab section and two in the rear of the passenger compartment. The radio shall contain a digital clock. Request for approved equal: At this time we are asking for an approved equal to install a REI radio in leu of the OEM. The model of REI radio is ST-4000. The ST-4000 is an AM/FM/MPS/USB/SD compatible receiver with pa capabilities and digital clock. REI radios are engineered in the USA utilizing uncompromising commercial grade components and top quality materials. Developed specifically for the rigors of commercial vehicle applications, our radios provide excellent performance for use in environments subject to vibration, dynamic loads, high temperatures and humidity. REI further tests the radio?s life and durability by conducting life and stress tests that simulate years of rugged use under harsh conditions. Dependable experience and keeping a close eye on the future have made us the market leaders in commercial electronics. Experience, reliability, innovation and quality ? our ingredients in a recipe designed to guarantee your satisfaction. | Denied |
| 85 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Mirror 2.3.9 | Bid States: Two (2) Safe Fleet 12 inch x 6 inch shaft mounted heated mirror assemblies (part numbers S40U13T-OTS for the passenger side and S40L12T-OTS for the driver side) with convex mirrors are to be provided with a LED turn signal and marker light combination mounted on each mirror head. Vehicle types C, and D shall be remote-controlled. The mounting bases for the rearview mirrors shall be sail mounted (on the driver?s door) and have aluminum contour base with through mount for support on the curbside (fender mount). Approved Equal Request: In place of the Safe Fleet brand of mirrors, we are asking the state to allow for the use of Rosco left and right side mirrors. The Rosco brand of mirror is our standard supplier for this category of bus. We would like you to accept using the Rosco brand while still meeting the shaft mounted, sail & fender mounting, convex, heated, LED turn, marker light and remote (remote for cat. C&D) per the spec. 2.3.9. http://roscomirrors.com/productline.php?doc_id=1114637597 | Denied |
| 86 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Low Floor - Air Conditioning 2.5.6 | Bid States: Rear A/C evaporator for types C and D shall be fastened to the roof bows. Approved Equal Request: In the roof structure, Champion bus welds robust C-channels between roof bows. These C-Channels are mounting points for the rear evaporator. Champion does not fasten evaporators directly to the roof bows to avoid creating holes in the bow and the addition of the evaporator weight in a focused area. This mounting practice help to maintain the bows structural integrity. Please accept this as a method of mounting the evaporator. | Approved |
| 87 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Body Construction 2.7.1 thru 2.7.13.2 | Approved Equal Request - Part 1: ? The body shall have steel cage construction. When the sidewalls, floor and roof are welded together, they shall form a continuous ?hoop? structure, which is extremely strong and durable. ? The sidewalls shall be constructed of 1.5" x 1.5" 16-gauge tubular steel studs and corner posts on maximum 48" centers. A 14-gauge, 1-1/2" x 2" tubular horizontal stringer shall be welded to the top of the studs. A 16 gauge Z-rail shall be welded to the studs at the bottom of the sidewall. Seat track shall be welded to the sidewall studs. ? The roof shall consist of 1.5" x 1.5? 16 gauge tubular steel rafters installed on maximum 48" centers. The roof rafters are welded into two 16-gauge steel "U" shaped sidewall caps. The rafters, in conjunction with ?C? Channels form a "steel cage" type of construction. ? The backwall has a 1.5" x 1.5" 16 gauge tubular steel frame, reinforced with 16-gauge "C" channel. A section of 16-gauge Z-channel shall be welded to the bottom of the back wall. ? The floor frame shall be constructed of 11-gauge, 2?x 2.88? x 2" channel cross members, on a maximum 24" center, with an outer 14-gauge angle steel impact rail. 11-gauge, 4" wide flat steel shall be provided to support the floor track. The floor frame shall be secured to the chassis frame in accordance with Ford?s QVM requirements. ? The floor shall be essentially a continuous flat plane, except at the stepwells, fuel fill cover and wheel housings. The sub-floor shall be mounted with Tek screws installed into the steel floor frame. The rear wheel housings shall be constructed of minimum 16-gauge steel. The wheel housings shall not protrude above the floor more than 6.5". ? In order to provide superior corrosion resistance, all tubular steel shall be coated with a 99.9% pure zinc coating during the steel milling process. The steel shall have minimum 50 ksi strength and three layers of corrosion prevention coatings. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 88 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Body Construction 2.7.1 thru 2.7.13.2 | Approved Equal Request - Part 2: All body floor sub-frame assembly shall meet 1,000 hour salt spray test per ASTM procedure B-117, with no structural detrimental effects to normally visible surfaces. The floor structure shall also be rated no less than five using the the cross hatch adhesion test per ASTM D3359Exterior Panels & Finishes ? The roof shall consist of a one-piece composite material that is light weight, extremely durable and impact resistant. The only roof seams that are allowed are at the junction of the roof skin and the front and rear cap. ? An aluminum trim rail, minimum 2" high, shall be applied to each side of the exterior skin, at the floor line of the bus. ? Flexible black rubber fender skirts shall be provided at the rear wheel housing. Wheels and tires shall be removable with the fender skirts in place. ? The sidewalls below the windows are constructed of a single composite sheet with a gloss gel finish. ? The panel runs the length of the bus. The skin is bonded to the structure using urethane foam insulation. ? The skirt panels are made of galvanized steel. Molded fiberglass front and rear caps complete the exterior. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 89 | 4/1/19 | JUDY WALCOTT/DATTCO, INC. SALES AND SERVICE | P. 56, 2.3.7.1 | Suspension will be supplied by Chassis OEM. Ford OEM front suspension on the E-series chassis is a Twin I-beam IFS with computer-selected coil springs and stabilizer bar. | Statement belongs in Proposal |
| 90 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment Ac - Passenger Seating - 2.8.2.5 | Bid States: Seats shall be anchored through the floor with 2 3/8? diameter grade 5 bolts or by a method providing equal strength. Armrests shall be provided on the aisle seats. Approved Equal Request: Please except the following as an approved equal for the above. Per industry standard, the mounting of passenger seats into seat track that is welded to the floor and wall structures. The seats will be fastened to track in the floor and the wall by means of a combination of bolts, washers, spring nuts and/or nut bars. This mounting has been tested and meets FMVSS requirements. | Approved |
| 91 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Suspension - 2.7.7.1 | Bid States:Suspension shall be supplied by the chassis OEM and shall conform to the following Approved Equal Request: Front - independent coil springs to match required GAWR capacity. Ford OEM front suspension on the E-series chassis is a Twin I-beam IFS with computer-selected coil springs and stabilizer bar. Will this be accepted to meet this requirement | Approved. |
| 92 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Cab - 2.3.8.12 | Bid States: Vehicle shall be provided with an OEM AM/FM radio with four (4) speakers. Two speakers shall be located in the cab section and two in the rear of the passenger compartment. The radio shall contain a digital clock Approved Equal Request: At this time we are asking for an approved equal to install a REI radio in leu of the OEM. The model of REI radio is ST-4000. The ST-4000 is an AM/FM/MPS/USB/SD compatible receiver with pa capabilities and digital clock. REI radios are engineered in the USA utilizing uncompromising commercial grade components and top quality materials. Developed specifically for the rigors of commercial vehicle applications, our radios provide excellent performance for use in environments subject to vibration, dynamic loads, high temperatures and humidity. REI further tests the radio?s life and durability by conducting life and stress tests that simulate years of rugged use under harsh conditions. Dependable experience and keeping a close eye on the future have made us the market leaders in commercial electronics. Experience, reliability, innovation and quality ? our ingredients in a recipe designed to guarantee your satisfaction | Denied |
| 93 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Mirrors 2.3.9 | Bid States: Two (2) Safe Fleet 12 inch x 6 inch shaft mounted heated mirror assemblies (part numbers S40U13T-OTS for the passenger side and S40L12T-OTS for the driver side) with convex mirrors are to be provided with a LED turn signal and marker light combination mounted on each mirror head. Vehicle types C, and D shall be remote-controlled. The mounting bases for the rearview mirrors shall be sail mounted (on the driver?s door) and have aluminum contour base with through mount for support on the curbside (fender mount). Approved Equal Request: In place of the Safe Fleet brand of mirrors, we are asking the state to allow for the use of Rosco left and right side mirrors. The Rosco brand of mirror is our standard supplier for this category of bus. We would like you to accept using the Rosco brand while still meeting the shaft mounted, sail & fender mounting, convex, heated, LED turn, marker light and remote (remote for cat. C&D) per the spec. 2.3.9. http://roscomirrors.com/productline.php?doc_id=1114637597 | Denied |
| 94 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Air Conditioning - 2.5.6 | Bid States: Rear A/C evaporator for types C and D shall be fastened to the roof bows. Approved Equal Request: In the roof structure, Champion bus welds robust C-channels between roof bows. These C-Channels are mounting points for the rear evaporator. Champion does not fasten evaporators directly to the roof bows to avoid creating holes in the bow and the addition of the evaporator weight in a focused area. This mounting practice help to maintain the bows structural integrity. Please accept this as a method of mounting the evaporator. | Approved |
| 95 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Body Construction - 2.7.1 thru 2.7.13.2 | Approved Equal Request - Part 1: ? The body shall have steel cage construction. When the sidewalls, floor and roof are welded together, they shall form a continuous ?hoop? structure, which is extremely strong and durable. ? The sidewalls shall be constructed of 1.5" x 1.5" 16-gauge tubular steel studs and corner posts on maximum 48" centers. A 14-gauge, 1-1/2" x 2" tubular horizontal stringer shall be welded to the top of the studs. A 16 gauge Z-rail shall be welded to the studs at the bottom of the sidewall. Seat track shall be welded to the sidewall studs. ? The roof shall consist of 1.5" x 1.5? 16 gauge tubular steel rafters installed on maximum 48" centers. The roof rafters are welded into two 16-gauge steel "U" shaped sidewall caps. The rafters, in conjunction with ?C? Channels form a "steel cage" type of construction. ? The backwall has a 1.5" x 1.5" 16 gauge tubular steel frame, reinforced with 16-gauge "C" channel. A section of 16-gauge Z-channel shall be welded to the bottom of the back wall. ? The floor frame shall be constructed of 11-gauge, 2?x 2.88? x 2" channel cross members, on a maximum 24" center, with an outer 14-gauge angle steel impact rail. 11-gauge, 4" wide flat steel shall be provided to support the floor track. The floor frame shall be secured to the chassis frame in accordance with Ford?s QVM requirements. ? The floor shall be essentially a continuous flat plane, except at the stepwells, fuel fill cover and wheel housings. The sub-floor shall be mounted with Tek screws installed into the steel floor frame. The rear wheel housings shall be constructed of minimum 16-gauge steel. The wheel housings shall not protrude above the floor more than 6.5". ? In order to provide superior corrosion resistance, all tubular steel shall be coated with a 99.9% pure zinc coating during the steel milling process. The steel shall have minimum 50 ksi strength and three layers of corrosion prevention coatings. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 96 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Body Construction - 2.7.1 thru 2.7.13.2 | Approved Equal Request - Part 2: All body floor sub-frame assembly shall meet 1,000 hour salt spray test per ASTM procedure B-117, with no structural detrimental effects to normally visible surfaces. The floor structure shall also be rated no less than five using the the cross hatch adhesion test per ASTM D3359Exterior Panels & Finishes ? The roof shall consist of a one-piece composite material that is light weight, extremely durable and impact resistant. The only roof seams that are allowed are at the junction of the roof skin and the front and rear cap. ? An aluminum trim rail, minimum 2" high, shall be applied to each side of the exterior skin, at the floor line of the bus. ? Flexible black rubber fender skirts shall be provided at the rear wheel housing. Wheels and tires shall be removable with the fender skirts in place. ? The sidewalls below the windows are constructed of a single composite sheet with a gloss gel finish. ? The panel runs the length of the bus. The skin is bonded to the structure using urethane foam insulation. ? The skirt panels are made of galvanized steel. Molded fiberglass front and rear caps complete the exterior. | Submitted request identifies too many specified elements of the manufacturing process and is too complex to be reviewed during the RFA process. We recommend the proposer submit manufacturer designs and construction processes as part of their proposal and will be reviewed as part of the RFR proposal review process. |
| 97 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Front Passenger Door - 2.7.15.1 | Bid States: Vehicles shall be equipped with ?transit door system.? Ambulatory passenger door(s) shall be manual with a control device located conveniently for the driver. The door system shall be designed as follows: The door opening device shall be designed not to interfere with the removal of the engine cover. The door-opening device shall latch when in fully opened or closed positions. Door latch shall be black. To meet this specification, a minimum 1½ inch tube shall be utilized as a primary stanchion for the door opener. Door rod shall not exceed ½ inch beyond connection point nearest driver. The primary stanchion shall be constructed from one continuous tube with rounded corners. No angle welded ends shall be accepted. Stanchion placement shall not interfere with driver?s leg space or ability to enter the passenger compartment. The stanchion shall not protrude past the leading face of the engine cover, nor into the stepwell area. The stanchion shall be braced in a manner to be secured to the bus in such a way that it does not come loose for the life of the vehicle and that it shall not impede entry into the vehicle, freedom of movement for the operator?s legs or access to the engine cover. Approved Equal Request: Please accept the use of an electric operated dual leaf door in place of the manual door. For our bus builds the electric door is a standard feature and meets the requirements for a transit bus. The electric door will dramatically reduce fatigue on the driver, keep the transition from drivers seat to passenger area clear and allow for the engine cover not only to be removable but easily removable. The electric door will also allow clear access to the OEM cupholders on the engine cover. Essentially all the manual door parts, handles, linkage, bars and stand will be eliminated. This makes for a more cost effective install. | Denied |
| 98 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Body Dimension - Types E2a & E2b | Bid States: Width overall 94? maximum (ex. mirrors) Approved Equal Request: Our standard width for a bus that meets this class is 96? wide. Please accept the 96? wide dimension as an approved equal for the maximum width | Denied |
| 99 | 4/1/19 | Walter Pedersen/Alliance Bus Group, Inc. | Attachment A - Passenger Seating - 2.8.2.5 | Bid States: Seats shall be anchored through the floor with 2 3/8? diameter grade 5 bolts or by a method providing equal strength. Armrests shall be provided on the aisle seats. Approved Equal Request: Please except the following as an approved equal for the above. Per industry standard, the mounting of passenger seats into seat track that is welded to the floor and wall structures. The seats will be fastened to track in the floor and the wall by means of a combination of bolts, washers, spring nuts and/or nut bars. This mounting has been tested and meets FMVSS requirements. | Approved |
| 100 | 4/1/19 | Brian Duffy/quality van sales | Section 2.7 pg. 10 - Number of Awards | Mass DOT will make multiple awards as a result of this procurement. Does this mean that multiple awards will be within each product grouping? Example, multiple awards for Type C. | No, see section 2.8 . |
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