A-E Shortlist Region 8 and 10 Research Stations Firm Session Transcript FEB 2026.docx

Transcript February 19, 2026, 7:02PM

Alves, Steven - FS, KY started transcription

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 0:08 You can put them down in the chat box.

I will try to answer them as we go, but I try not to chase after them because I get distracted and then the meeting becomes really jumbled up and you don't get the information you need.

So again, thank you very much for calling in. I'm Steve Alves.

I'm one of the administrators for the southern.

Research station.

SRS short list process for Region 8 under 436.

So today what I'm going to do is give a briefing on the process.

What gives us the authority to do it?

And then I'm going to take you through the actual training that we give the engineering teams on the forests to go through the selection process for architect and engineering firms.

So with that, I will go ahead and start.

Again, I'm gonna give you a little bit of introduction on region, 8:00 and 4:36.

What exactly?

The shortlist is.

And then we'll go through the four steps of getting to the point where you can start a negotiating with the firm.

So for the shortlist process myself, I administer.

Uh, I'm the team lead for CSA 11 and Jalisa Sims is the team lead for CSA 12.

So our state's largely consist of the Southeast United States and we branch out as far as Texas and Oklahoma.

We have the Gulf Coast and then the eastern seaboard up through Virginia.

So we cover.

A big chunk of the United States.

One thing to remember is that all of the source selection process and signatories have to be warranted as an AECO.

So what exactly is the shortlist?

A lot of people refer to it as a contract.

The shortlist is not a contract.

It's actually a pool of pre vetted vendors.

Rojects under.

The short selection process are restricted to up to the simplified acquisition threshold, so the good news is, is that value changed late last year.

So instead of 250,000.

The project can now go up to 350,000 and when I say project, I'm referring to the architect and engineering firms.

Design fee along with.

At the studies, travel, etc.

Associated with putting a design together.

36.602 Dash 5 governs the process on how.

Projects are ultimately awarded to a company.

There's two different ways it can be done.

The first is only one person sits on the board and picks the company.

That process actually has to be approved of by the mission area senior contracting officer.

So this the the scrutiny that it gets is extremely high.

If you have a board with multiple members, that recommendation can actually be signed off by the local contracting officer up to the simplified acquisition threshold.

So again, the shortlist is not a contract.

It is a pre vetted pool of AE firms that we have reviewed their SF Three 30s and feel that they can provide.

Some kind of support to the agency?

See.

How does the shortlist go out?

Well, the initial pool and many of you have sat on the annual updates goes out annually on sam.gov.

So this is for the overall establishment of the pool. We also give a recap of awards that have been made.

But what it does not do is it does not advertise individual projects.

Again, this is the overall establishment.

Of the vendor pool.

And on the slide show there is a link to that this year Sam Gov notice.

And then again, that simplified acquisition value is now up to $350,000.

So one of the big questions is, is it worth my firm's interest to be put on the prop on the in the pool?

Well, I kind of tell people it's like the lottery.

You can't win unless you buy a ticket. So the same with the SRS process.

You can't win a project if you aren't in the pool.

So one of the biggest questions people have before they submit their SF 330 is.

Can you give me a list of projects that are coming out?

All federal agencies are supposed to publish a procurement forecast, and they do that twice a year.

This picture right here is a little old and I put you a brand new link in here.

So what this now looks like is this.

And it's available on under far resources and the agency procurement forecasts.

So what's cool now is all of the federal agencies are listed on one location, so you don't have to go individually hunting for them. I just found this out this morning. So that's how fast the far is changing.

I just discovered this this morning. Left hand side you can click on the department name, it'll give you a little bit of a background on.

Who they are.

They are what? They're what their mission is in supporting the federal government.

Over to the right is a link to their small business office and in some cases their actual procurement forecast.

So for example, you can go to.

This one's the Department of Commerce, and you can click on the link to their most current update procurement forecast.

And it'll give you in some cases a spreadsheet.

See if this opens up.

There's their procurement forecast.

You can go to the other agencies such as.

The DoD.

So over here again, you can click on which agency you would like to look at.

It's like a hero. Let's try.

Army Corps of Engineers and see what pops up.

So there you go.

It takes you right to their Sam opportunities, their procurement, the database. So each each agency is set up a little bit different. So you might have to hunt and Peck and figure out which ones you like the best.

So what do they show on the procurement forecast? I'm gonna give you kind of a glimpse.

Here's that page I just showed you.

That will list, for example, the NAICS codes.

These are the NAICS codes that are listed under the short list. Now, if you're looking for another agency, you could also broaden that to whatever your engineering expertises are.

The SRS shortlist for Region 8 and territories are limited to these areas.

Our shortlist is unique in that unlike Region 8 or some of the West Coast such as Oregon and Washington have their own Idiqs and short lists.

Ours also includes states like Alaska, Oregon and Washington because at one time and still today, we sort, we support the Forest Service laboratory structure and we have.

Laboratories in those states.

So that's why they've remained on our short list.

So as you go through and you pull data.

This is this is truncated.

Usually you'll see the firm does the next codes. They'll give you a rough order of magnitude the quarter.

So it's going to be in. So as you filter down, you'll be able to narrow in more on opportunities that you're finding.

Your firm might be more interested in.

So what has happened within the USDA Forest Service Region 8? Last year, I gave you a slide that showed 2024, which was our first year.

And we had roughly $4 million.

In shortlist awards in 2025, which we just finished, we had roughly $1.7 million in awards.

So it slowed down a little bit.

But altogether so far on this cycle.

And it operates on a three-year cycle.

We're already beating the previous three-year cycle.

So we're already ahead of what was done before.

So last year I gave you a copy of this slide. If you were on this briefing, that just shows you some of the areas where the shortlist was used.

For 2025, these are the States and locations and projects that were most heavily used.

The one thing I would like you to take away from this slide again.

You you're seeing a large uptick in disaster recovery design work.

So roughly 50% of the awards presented from last year were in, in.

Disaster recovery.

Every mode.

Why do I make that a point?

Because when I projected to you during last year's briefing, I thought that we would see, you know, the normal designs as normal.

But I thought we would start seeing a huge uptick in disaster, and that is actually.

Underway and I still think in 2026 you're going to see a large uptick in disaster design work particularly.

In the states along the eastern seaboard and the the Gulf of America.

States.

So I still think that's going to happen.

Do I have projects in front of me saying that?

No, but the trend indicates that's going to truly happen.

So how do you prepare your firm?

So if you're new on this briefing, your first starting point is look, getting a short list package off of sam.gov.

It'll have the attachment a.

This is a cover sheet that you fill out and then attachment B is your standard form 330.

The rest of this is information that you use for administration during the year. If you have a question.

On what?

A request for proposal might look like you can look at that example. You can see previous year's questions that have been asked.

They haven't really changed that much in six years.

And the size standard from the SBA is stay fairly stable over the last two to three years.

So jumping right into it, this is kind of a bad slide.

'Cause it's probably blurry, but this is the attachment a where you fill out your company name.

Your neat unique Sam ID number your company website.

And then any kind of socio economic programs you participate in such as service disabled, veteran Hubzone woman owned small disadvantage, you can make notations of those here?

What areas do you want to work in? That's up on page two, we give you a place to check.

States that you would like to work in now. One of the questions is do I have to be licensed in that state?

The answer is it depends.

Some do, some don't, can you?

Can you also work with a subcontractor that's licensed in that state of it has to be signed? Yes, absolutely.

So fill out the ones that you're primarily focused. You want to focus on and what we do is we'll take all this information and get it uploaded.

Down at the bottom, again, the next codes that you are are wanting to be considered for projects under.

That is how you fill out your attachment a. So this form, if you were on last year's, is a place where you could have made updates when you sent back your.

Confirmation of interest still in shortlist.

So some tips and techniques for the 3:30 your part one focuses upon places and or not places but your specialties.

Again, the goal is to show being best qualified.

Pulling from that previous list of awards.

Here are the things that our agency is most interested in.

And I've kind of dropped them into the same order in the the precedents in which they received awards.

So bridges, roads, trails is usually our number one.

Different property survey and markings is a strong #2.

And we're going through a big push on the.

Bridge Bridge and construction special safety. Sorry. Inspection safety.

This is now FP 24.

As you can see, I'm updating as we go.

So.

Again, things that were interested in. Unfortunately you won't be able to address all of those in the written portions of your SF 330, but I'll show you a little trick here.

This is part one. Again projects people kind of your reference check.

Part 2.

Now this is where you will disclose.

Projects.

People money.

This gives us a bigger in depth sight into your company.

Because this profile code is where we pull information about your expertise.

And let's see here.

I thought I had one handy.

Anyway, the profile codes tell us the type of engineering work it was that was done.

There's 184 different categories that can be listed in here.

The name, but then the amount of dollars your firm generated in that category. That's the number from down here.

So.

Why is this of a benefit? I'll show you here in a second here when we get down to the training part.

In that section too.

Again, annual income.

Your firm's profile and experience, and how many people were there to do the work?

Morgan Long 17:12 Sure, if you work.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 17:15 So with that in place, I'm going to give you now the training that we give the architect and engineers within the Forest Service.

So when I first gave this training, the first class I gave it was absolutely horrible.

I went home that night and it was.

It was like a total train wreck from my favorite movie, dodgeball.

I was like patches.

Oh Hoolahan, I was dodged duck dip diving and dodging.

And when I got home, it was horrible.

Mainly because it didn't follow a process, and jumping around 'cause people did.

They didn't take anything of value away, so I started thinking about the shortlist process under 436 and instead of patches of hoolihan I came up with Arley army from full metal jacket and.

In full metal jacket.

Arlee Ermey goes I will teach you and you will learn by the numbers.

And it dawned on me that the shortlist process is a four step process.

And if you document the process and you follow the steps, it makes it very efficient and very thorough.

So I teach like Patch Arley Earnie versus patches, oh Hoolahan.

Now, what makes the architect and engineering process under far 36 is 1 still unique aspect of federal contracting that looks at the best qualified. Everything is done on a best qualified process.

Versus price.

Price is the last thing you look at.

Sometimes this thing clicks on.

So going to my Arley ermie, everything is a step and a four step process.

What I tell people is the best way to think about this is funneling for success.

In each step you're adding additional information to that funnel to draw you down to a best qualified firm.

In steps one and two, we're looking at things such as the NAKES codes of the engineering firm.

We're looking at your SF 330, sections 2 and sections one. Whether or not we need to have a socioeconomic consideration in place.

Where you want to do work in any special skills that your company may have. And then we document both steps.

In steps three and four, we get into discussions.

A final recommendation and then again we document all of these steps.

So again, we have that funnel where everything is going in and each step narrows it down a little bit more.

So what happens in step one?

Well, in step one we fill out a selection sheet where step one is to describe the type of service we want.

We talk about the project, we talk about the next code we're looking for.

The estimated cost of the AE firm.

When we need our project, our design completed, I tell our engineers this is critical.

Cold because nothing's worse than having construction dollars and no design.

You make your construction dollars right to be stolen by another group within the Forest Service that's ready to execute their dollars.

So that's why contracting pays particular attention to when you have to have the design.

There are a series of standardized areas that we look at, such as professional qualifications, past performance, specialized experience.

The capacity to accomplish the work.

So nothing is worse than slamming an AE firm with five projects at year end.

When they haven't necessarily increased the workload, the people to handle that amount of work.

So capacity is one of those areas that we also need to look at.

The location of the project and the firm may play a role in the selection and then any other factors.

So free form that could be.

Other specialized experience that's required.

So step one, once they fill out the this part of the sheet, it filters automatically onto the next sheet.

So these drop downs they automatically fill into certain places so that way the user doesn't have to repeat certain certain amounts of data.

So that is step one.

All of that information that we gather from you off of the attachment.

A.

Along goes on to that Excel spreadsheet.

So things like.

Social economics.

Your NAICS code states that you want to work in.

All of that goes into an Excel spreadsheet.

Here is the out of cat page.

Sorry, section two of your SF 3:30.

There's 158 experience categories and a number that number denotes a dollar value.

So we take that information you provide to us and we update this spreadsheet. So we did 158 categories for 100 different vendors.

And not all of them.

You know, some of them had two and three pages.

Of.

Specialized experience. What we do is we take the highest value that you had in a particular.

Designated area. So if you have a partner and they have a 5 and you only have a two, we will put A5 in that spreadsheet.

We treat it as a complete capability.

Of your firm or your firm and partners or your firm and subcontractors.

We do not question that number.

Try not to put nines in all of them because as a small business we would like that would definitely raise an eyebrow.

But what this allows us to do is as we go through and we upload the filters from our Excel spreadsheet now we can focus upon your experiences.

Versus random luck. Looking through 100 different.

SF Three 30s.

It helps us to focus upon skill categories versus random luck.

What have we seen happen? Because of this, we're actually seeing a more variety of firms being selected for discussions and moving on to actual awards.

So this is actually working in principle.

So where are some of this information found?

Again, here's that list of specialized experience.

This is where it goes on your SF 330 in Section 2.

So once we let's see here, there we go again.

This is section one of the SF 3:30.

I gotta make sure I didn't skip a slide here.

This just tells you a little bit about what's in each section.

So again, Part 2 this talks about.

Where money has come from the skill set, and then we also go back and we look at Section 1 and look and see if those projects are reflected there. They may or may not be, but it gives us a place to start and then on our supplemental in.

We can ask you, you know, we show these things on Section 2.

Can you give us references or give us projects for this information?

Chan.

So out of Section 2, we look at your SF Three 30s and we update this block over here on the right.

I call this the Lollipop chart.

So we have a narrative on what we've reviewed from your SF 3:30.

And then we look at five factors such as we had at the top of the selection sheet, professional qualifications, past performance, experience, capacity, location.

So we rate those based upon.

What we think our our confidence factor.

How do you look on these?

Now, one thing that we teach our engineers is this is a very superficial point in time because you won't necessarily be able to tell companies capacity to do the work until you've inquired with them with the statement of work.

Likewise, you may not be able to tell.

Professional experience based upon what you're seeing.

So when in doubt, coat it yellow.

Make a notation and do a follow up with the firm.

It's not a disqualifier, it's just a visual Rep quick representation on where the firm stands at a particular point in time.

Once they've gone through step two, they move on to Step 3, where the far says we will hold discussions.

With the most qualified firms.

What it does not do is dictate how you hold those discussions.

So what we tell our firm, what our what we tell our engineers is.

You may do it through letters, emails. It could be you have sit down conversations, discussions and do basically an interview.

What I like to use, I like to use what they call cut sheets.

I do not. I personally do not.

Encourage complete.

SF.

330 submittals.

Because it costs your firm a significant amount of money to update and correct and and do all kinds of things to your SF three 30s.

So it's better in some cases to have a simple two or three page cut sheet specific to your project. You get more out of that than forcing a firm to take weeks and a lot of time updating.

Their SF 3:30.

So you can do it through cut sheets and then it gives you a chance to also talk about potential special skills that they may need.

So once you gather information during Step 3 during your discussions with the firms, again you document you update.

Your loop chart on where they stand at that particular point in time. So in step one you may have been all yellow, but by step three you could be all blue.

And again, it's just a quick visual.

It's not a. You're automatically zapped if you had a yellow in there.

It could be.

That's an area we need to follow up on.

So this is an example of a letter you may receive during that Step 3.

And this will look awful familiar.

To you, because the whole top part of this is exactly the same top part of our selection form. Our process form that we document.

What kind of firm are we looking for?

The expertise and then I can attach documents such as our statement of work.

Here's what we're looking at doing.

But I tell you what I need from you.

So for example.

We're looking for experience with gravity Fed wastewater treatment fields.

Have you done one of these before and and where was that at?

I'm building.

A.

Nuclear reactor.

And I need to know if you've done one of those before.

I'll ask for that.

I'll give you the I'll provide you attachments. I might give you a geotechnical report.

Usually I'll put whatever we need. I'll attach it down there if it's relevant to your qualifications to get that that information from you.

What I tell people is don't ask the firm to come out and look at stuff when you're still in discussions and in that step three reason being again is.

It it your firm burns money and time doing that so it's it's a in my little world it's a process file at this point in time to have a company come out.

Don't have them spend money they.

They don't need.

So for final Step 4.

This is where again, during that discussions with the company, you document all that information and this is a roll up of steps one through 4.

It's culminating with. Here's all the things we learned.

Here is how the firm's confidence rating is at this point in time.

And in Step 4, this is the first time where you won't be able to see it because on your screens it'll be.

Really little this is the first time when firms are rated a numerical rating one through 3.

And that is going to the next slide.

How they transition into the final recommendation?

They're recommended first, second and third.

The engineering group makes this recommendation to the Co.

The Co will review all of the information.

And if they concur and feel it's satisfactory, they will go ahead and sign off as the final signatory, and they will begin to prepare a request for proposals.

To the number one.

Best qualified firm.

Now, what happens if if a we do not send it to all three under the shortlist process?

We will send it to #1 and if an agreement cannot be reached on price and technical and all of those things to complete the design, they will turn off the negotiations and they will move on to #2 and they will start the request proposal process again.

If an agreement is not reached, they will move on to #3.

Process starts all over again for the RFP.

If they go through all three and they cannot come to a price, then the Co will get with the engineering and they'll try to figure out what was wrong with the overall package that was causing that disconnect.

OK.

At that point in time, that's when again we go out request for proposal.

So that finishes.

Let me Scroll down here.

All the rest of these slides are.

For contracting how we actually put the information into the system.

So what I'll do is I went through this a lot quicker than I thought.

What I'll do is, if you have questions.

Go ahead.

And either yell them out or put them in the comments block.

I'll try to get those answered for you.

OK.

No questions.

So what I'll do if there's no questions if you'd like.

What I can do is.

I'll show you.

Oh, there it goes.

Huffman, Richard - FS, TX 35:46 Steve, you have a couple of questions in the chat box.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 35:50

OK.

Yeah, what I'm doing is I'm gonna. I'm trying to pull up the actual form that we use, but while that's thinking about it.

So is there a limit to the number of firms shortlisted as part of the prequalified vendor pool?

Umm, no, there isn't so far on.

Our on the region 8 list, we have approximately 100 vendors, so it it generally fluctuates between 80 and 100.

So there's there's no limit.

We don't say we're cutting it off at 120.

It's not like a solicitation for a call for qualifications where we say we're only going to consider the 1st 50.

This is the actual form that we use.

To do the cons to do the discussions and the documenting of.

Again, this is how we go through and.

Load up the NAICS codes, those job or the experience categories are all listed here.

We can use more than one. So for example, if you were doing a recreation, a campground area plus you had a water treatment plant, you might put the secondary down in here.

This is where we actually fill out the start, filling out the blocks. So as we look at your SF 3:30 again, we type interesting things that we see over here.

They're pertinent to our project.

And we give a quick gut check.

What do we think when we read it? Now again, everybody starts at a yellow block and you move across yellows.

Usually what we'll see over here.

Yes.

Follow up on capacity.

That's usually the most. That's the most.

Common issue we ever see in in the yellow.

But we fill out all of this.

We have the firms.

Do we only consider 5 firms?

No, this is not limited to only 5.

We highly recommend a starting point of five.

But I've got one right now where I'm actually doing it with 1111 firms and we're narrowing down from there.

So each one is unique once you document their SF 330's.

You move on to three where you start discussions.

As I tell our engineering group, we are not limited to three.

You can hold discussions with however many people you want.

We had a project last.

It was either last year, the end of the previous year we actually sent out a request for information to all 100 vendors on the short list, and it was for.

Rope suspension bridge design work.

So yeah, we had to pull the entire list to.

Get a.

Get a adequate number to where we could move on to step three and hold discussions.

If our 330 is changed later in the year, how can we handle that?

So if your 330 changes, there's a couple of ways we we kind of do it informally. You can do it as a page, a page insert, remove, replace. You can do it if it's just.

Dollar figures and stuff you can simply.

Again, you can. You can send us that that.

Section 2.

Update it might be as simple as just sending in a new attachment a.

So if you feel like you need to submit a brand new SF 3:30, you can.

We aren't gonna tell you. No, but it's again. What we try to do is keep everything on a three-year cycle.

So this is this is the last.

Year of the region eight cycle.

So come next.

March 2027 is when you would have totally new SF 3:30.

So it's kind of.

A.

It's kind of a decisional call.

We aren't going to tell you no, so feel free to send those to us.

OK so.

Anyway, for step three, as you can see, we document here.

Step 4.

Again, the first time where you see vendors number one through 3.

And then our final recommendation.

So have I. Have I missed anything?

If you have new Subs or key members, I would what I would do is go ahead and submit those sections of the SF 3:30 and we would need to update the 158 categories.

So.

That that's how you can affect those changes.

It won't happen overnight because it takes us a while to stare at all those sheets and type in all that information.

So again, what?

We haven't been able to do or. I haven't found a way to successfully do.

Like advanced marketing, because we don't know what kind of projects are coming up with.

We don't find out until they literally fall on our desks.

The.

Again, initial selection for projects are done off of your SF 330 and the category twos.

So.

When they go through, if you've been, if you've been.

Interviewed or questioned as part of a step three, you can always contact the CEO to ultimately find out why you were not selected and they can do a debrief with you.

But we don't have anything in place right now other than to say you're on the, you know, the SRS short list.

So what I tell people is if you would like to provide information.

That we can put in your folder.

I'll be more than happy to do that, but I put it I separated out from the the SF 3:30.

I don't pin them all together.

So out of put it this way, out of out of we had, what, 20?

I think I counted on there. We had about 2025 awards out of all of FY25 for 100 vendors.

So were all of those.

Unique like new vendors? No.

Some were.

Some had handled other projects, for example dam inspection or dam emergency action plans.

Road designs, culvert designs, aquac, FIS passages those are starting to go to other varied firms, too.

So again, that's that.

That section two of the.

SF 330 is making a difference.

So.

Let's see here.

We got about 15 minutes left.

What I can do?

If you would you like to see how the.

Selection process actually works in lifetime.

I could show that to you.

If you'd like give me a thumbs up and I will do it.

OK, nobody wants to do it.

It's like crazy.

Anthony Rimore 45:05 I have a quick question.

Actually 2 questions.

Good afternoon to you and everybody.

Question number one is do you have a list of architects or engineers that have already been chosen? What projects they've worked on in the last two or three years? And can you share that?

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 45:23 I can I.

Can I can?

Give you.

A.

Put it this way, you can.

There's a couple of places you can go to find it.

If you go to FPDS Ng, I'll give you a quick.

If you go to FPDS Ng and you type in for example.

This information is available for all federal agencies, and this is for any contract over.

For supply and services, same thing over $10,000, but you can go up here on the left to Agriculture Department.

And then you can drill down to like the Forest Service.

Here it is up here at the top.

And then you can actually go through.

The sheet and this'll this'll export into a sheet.

You hit CSV up here in the right hand corner.

And what it'll do is it'll pull down the spreadsheet.

And all architect and engineering is AC next.

PS What they call a PSC code product service code. This will probably take a while to download.

So when you go and you start filtering, you can filter by state by agency. Here we go PSC.

And.

See the PSC code right here.

So on your spreadsheet, if you filter it down to just CS.

It will tell you all of the A&E awards that have made by the Forest Service and you can also look at rural development etc.

Department of Defense. This is all public information on FPDS Gov.

Anthony Rimore 47:48 Got it.

And thank you very much.

I'm a new at this, so I'm sorry to ask a pedantic question.

I have one other, if you don't mind. Go on.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 47:56 No, actually it's not because a lot of people don't realize that FPDS Ng is there.

So I try to tell people it's a good.

It's a good resource, not from.

Just a what's been awarded, but you can use it to actually look for recurring service contracts.

You can look, you can use it to look up.

Construction contracts. So for example on this sheet right here.

This is the. This is the column you need to look at.

So right here, if we go down and we just let me pick a engineer. Architect engineer's are all CS of some kind.

So right there, you've got contract numbers and this goes back in this particular case, this is an FY9 contract.

So you can actually come over here, get rid of all those.

What happened in 2025?

So this will give you agency.

So actually this right here, this is CSA #12 this is. This is our my counterparts contract right here.

So that's how you can use FPG.

To pull up information and narrow it down to for service, you can narrow it down to.

The group that did it.

And then if you take this contract number?

Go back to FPDS Ng.

Now you can look at who was awarded to.

See here.

And people will hate me for doing this.

What it was contract number it gives you the ID, the e-mail of who did it.

Contract number dates, dollar values.

You can Scroll down.

Socio economic categories. You can then go down and see how it was competed and information about where, where the work is being performed.

Down here, it'll give you an information, a description.

Anthony Rimore 50:42 That's great.

Thank you.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 50:46 OK so I so I won on that question.

FPDS Ng is an excellent tool along with the.

With the procurement forecasts for some reason, the USDA procurement forecast is not.

The link is not working but all but a lot of the other agencies are.

So if you use these in combination with each other and sam.gov.

You can get a lot of good low lying fruit as far as developing competitive posture.

Can see who's winning what and where.

And the next codes that they were kneeling codes and PSC's that they were awarded under.

Anthony Rimore 51:29 Thank. Thank you for that.

I appreciate it.

I have one other quick question. I don't wanna prolong the meeting you said in 2024, there's $4 million in design fees awarded.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 51:35 Yes, Sir.

That now again.

Anthony Rimore 51:46 Approximately.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 51:49 I say approximately because when the report spits out for me, if RC OS haven't documented it properly like I have AI have a spec see like this right here how I've got.

Region 8 short list.

Anthony Rimore 52:05 But, but that's absolutely fine that that, that's not really what my question is.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 52:06 If if.

Anthony Rimore 52:10 My my question is of that $4 million approximately and I'm not worried if it's an exact number, how many projects does that translate to?

In your opinion?

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 52:19 That was.

Hold on. I got it on the slide.

Here it was.

It was approximately again 25 to 30 different projects.

It's on that on that one slide.

I listed them but I did not let me look here and see if I got my PowerPoint slide here.

Yeah, I gave the number on here so 2:30.

Is that 30343036 in 2024?

And then we had.

So 362024 give or take a few.

And then we had, I think it went 1-2, I think it was like 25 in 2025.

Anthony Rimore 53:23 Thank you.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 53:27 Yeah. So like I said, when I run the report, it's gonna be potentially off a few because of how they loaded the descriptions in there.

So I kind of take a generalized. This is generally what we've done, give or take a few.

OK, so like I said, if you'd like to add.

Literature other than the SF 330, by all means shoot over to me and I'll put it in in the folder for your company.

I was going to show you how the Excel spreadsheet works here if you.

If you'd like, I can.

I've got to bring this up on the wrong screen so that way everybody doesn't see it.

OK.

OK.

So here's how that Excel spreadsheet works where I said we've we put all of your information. So right now I have all of the company information hidden for this demonstration.

I tell our our engineers and forgive me if I go over if you'd like to log off, don't feel free to.

But I tell our engineers that sorting by where the firm is located is an absolutely worst possible way you can sort.

Because most of the firms aren't going to be actually located next to your project.

What we do say, for example, let's play.

I've got a project in Kentucky. I tell them to hide all of the other states.

And then do a filter so it's just showing sperms.

That said, they can work in Kentucky.

I'm going to pick the most.

Popular 540-1330 makes code I'm gonna hide all of the others.

And then I'm going to apply that filter.

So by doing that you can see I've gone from 100 down to, oh about 90.

So it really doesn't help.

So if I had to pick a project just based upon those two categories, it would be actually a horrible experience.

So we sat down and we typed out all the specialized experience categories. Let's pretend I'm gonna get rid of everything except that R04, that recreational.

Parks and Marina. I'm gonna hide those.

But I also have a let's let's play.

I've got two. I wanna wastewater treatment plant on there too.

I think it's water. Water treatment. I'm gonna hide those.

And for this morning's demonstration, I'm gonna get rid of wind tunnels and zoning.

And I'm gonna get rid of socio economics just for demonstration purposes.

So if my primary search is looking for companies with R04 experience.

I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to narrow it down to those that show money.

So you can see I've dropped from a hundred a hundred firms or 90 firms now down to 20 or 25.

But I may also need somebody with water plant experience.

So if I narrow that down further.

Now I've dropped from that 100 down to 90, down to 25 or 30 down to 10.

So what?

I tell people is.

This is this could be your potential starting point.

Does it mean that you only consider these?

No, this is merely a starting point to start looking at SF Three 30s.

Sometimes you'll have somebody that's updated at 3:30 or for whatever reason, the engineer goes, hey, I know we've had a company do this work and for some reason.

And their SF 330 didn't have that reflected.

Could they be included? Absolutely.

Yeah, this is.

This is merely a starting point.

Troy Jeanfreau 58:16 That's gonna be so you're about.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 58:21 So that's when we start pulling those SF 330's and we start.

Troy Jeanfreau 58:24 My headphone didn't reconnect like I thought.

Alves, Steven - FS, KY 58:27 Yeah. And we start putting the information into the the selection form, the evaluation criteria forms.

OK.

Yeah, like I said, I've just seen the note on there with the FPDS and G.

Yeah, hard telling how that's gonna work out.

So we'll we'll keep it up and I'll, I'll, I'll have an update on my next briefing in March to see how that works out.

So yeah, they're they're consolidating a lot of things like we used to use the dynamic small business search tool and those have all been updated too.

So yeah, it's a it's a definitely a world for.

Reorganization.

Perfect, perfect question.

The 158 specialized experience categories is actually listed.

It's one of the supplemental pages on the SF 3:30.

It's like one of the instructional pages.

So that's where you can find those.

And I had the uh latest SF330 updated on to the uh the.

Uh.

See if it opens up here.

There we go.

So it starts.

On.

Page 5 and it rolls over onto 6 through.

8.

And those this information is used on that.

Section 2.

Right here, down in this block.

The we don't do again the the Sam Gov does not cover individual projects.

So we don't advertise for individual bridge inspection projects.

Usually we'll go through, we'll go through this process where we fill out the selection sheets, we go out to five or more companies and that's how that works.

Now some other agencies are doing like Idiqs and that kind of stuff that cover their bridge inspections.

But so far we haven't transitioned away from using the Shortlist forum.

OK.

I'm sorry for dragging over for 5 minutes.

Hopefully that extra little bit on.

The teaching on FPDS Ng that may be going away.

Yes, I'll download a copy of this transcript and I'll try to have it on there today or tomorrow. But if you go through it and you have any questions, feel free to give me a yell and we can go through it.

There are no other questions.

I'll go ahead and conclude this and I will get that transcript uploaded for you.

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