13R1017_TW_PD_comments.xls
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| RAT TW Boot PD 29 APR 2013 Comments | |||
| Section | Comment/Recommendation | Notes | |
| 1 | Page 2, Specifications | a. Military – MIL-C-41814F is not identified anywhere within the PD but is listed under the military specifications on page 2. We believe this should be removed. | This is a counter MIL SPEC. It was deleted when we went with the thermoplastic counter. |
Spec has no relevance to thermo plastic counter
| 2 | Page 3, American Society for Testing and Materials | a. ASTM-D-1683, D-1974 and D-5518/5118M should be added | D1683 is reference in stitch strength. The other are referenced in packaging. |
| 3 | Page 5, Paragraph 3.3 – Design | a. The upper leather is to be Olive Hot Pocket Nubuck 492006 however; on page 1, paragraph 1.1, Scope, it states the requirements for an Olive Mohave color number 200512. Please confirm which color is correct. | Boot is 200512, Leather is specifically 492006 |
| b. We are requesting color swatches of Mohave color number 200512, olive Mohave hot pocket nubuck 492006, coyote color and face layer fabric olive Mohave color number 200512 colored herringbone. | |||
| 4 | Page 6, Salient Characteristics | We are requesting the ¼ inch welt lip be modified to ¼ inch +/- 1/6 inch as outlined in paragraph 3.4.11. | we do not put tolerances for anything else in this sec 3.3 |
| 5 | Page 6, Paragraph 3.3.1 Weight | a. Is there a weight requirement for the women’s boot? | Women sizes are related to Men's. A women' size 11 is typically a Men's 10. |
| 6 | Page 6, Paragraph 3.3.2 Height | a. Is there a height requirement for the women’s boot? | Women sizes are related to Men's. A women' size 11 is typically a Men's 10. |
| 7 | Page 6, Double Stitch at Toe | Currently reads: “through midsole and outsole” however; we believe it should be changed to read: “through leather, solid midsole, cushion midsole and outsole”. | Sec 3.3 is summary of design and salient characteristics using industry terminology. Stitchdown and double stitch requirement is in 3.6.3. |
| 8 | Page 8, Paragraph 3.4.1.2, Gusset Leather | The 2nd sentence allows for the gusset leather MIL-PRF-3122J, Type I, Treatment A and Treatment B as an option. We believe this should read Type II, Treatment A and Treatment B. | All other military boot product descriptions do not provide any option for gusset leather. Gusset Leather is always Type II with Treatment A. Typically eyelet stays and counter pockets is required to be Type II with Treatment A with option of being Type I with Treatment A&B which PdM ICE carried to Gusset. Thus intended as written. |
| 9 | Page 10, Paragraph 3.4.7, Box Toe | a. We believe paragraph 3.4.7 should include the 3 layer thermal plastic toe box as outlined on page 6. | No one makes this 3 layer thermal plastic toe box in the US any more and was deleted from 3.4.7. |
| 10 | Page 11, Paragraph 3.4.8 Heel Counter – | a. We believe paragraph 3.4.8 should include the 2 layer thermal plastic counter as outlined on page 6. | No one makes this 2 layer thermal plastic heel counter in the US any more and was deleted from 3.4.8. |
| b. The statement which reads: “The heel counter shall be stitched through to the midsole.” We believe should be modified to read: “The heel counter shall be stitched through the upper leather and solid midsole.” | The heel counter is fused to upper leather specifically the leather heel cap. It is impossible due to design to stitch the counter to the solid midsole without stitching through leather. This level of production detail should not be necessary in a product description for industry. | ||
| 11 | 11. Page 13, Paragraph 3.4.13.2 Cushioned Midsole – | a. Table V, footnote 21/ currently reads “Method modified to include Texon glued onto the specimens and conducted at -5 degrees C.” We believe this should read “Method modified to include 2.0 mm insole board glued onto the specimens, -5 degrees and conditioned for 2 hours. | Paragraph 3.4.11.2.1, Table V, has no footnotes. |
| b. Table V, density, currently reads 0.60 minimum and 0.40 maximum. The minimum should read 0.40 and the maximum should read 0.60. | Agree | ||
| 12 | Page 14, Paragraph 3.4.11.3.1 Rubber Compound Requirements - | a. A footnote should be added to the Ross flex characteristic and should read “8/ Test is performed by applying one drop of #903 oil per 6,000 flexes” | Section 3 is for requirements only. Verification and methods are where test methods and standards go. |
| 13 | Page 16, Paragraph 3.6.3.1 Double Stitch at Toe - | a. The sentence which reads: “A second stitch shall pass through the midsole and outsole.” should be modified to read: “A second stitch shall pass through the upper leather, solid midsole, cushion midsole and outsole.” | Requirement states "3.6.3.1 Double stitch at toe. A second stitch shall pass through the midsole and outsole. This stitch shall be directly in front of the primary stitchdown." |
It is impossible due to design to place the double stitch without stitching through the leather, 5 iron. This level of production detail should not be necessary in a product description for industry.
| 14 | Page 16,, Paragraph 3.7.1.2, Cleaning and Maintenance Instructions | a. Item 3 states “. . . dry boots and insoles in sun.” Insoles should read inserts. | These terms are commonly confused between Industry terminology and common user/ consumer. Industry proper terminology is "inserts" , however by common user/consumer terminology it is known as insole. |
| 15 | Page 17, Paragraph 3.7.1.3, When to Replace the USMC RAT Temperate Weather Boot Outsole – | 3rd sentence states “The midsole is the soft cushioned material between the rubber lug outsole and the boot upper.” We believe this sentence should be modified to read – “The midsole is the soft cushioned material between the rubber lug outsole and the 5 iron solid midsole.” | Common user/consumer does not know what a 5 iron solid midsole is, and space claim on tag is unnecessary. |
| 16 | Page 19, Paragraph 4.9, Component and Material Inspection - Table X Components, | a. Laminated cloth - Should footnote 1/ be added behind each test method to allow for a CoC. | All other component tests are CoC required. |
| b. Midsole and Outsole (Rubber Compound) – |
i. A footnote should be added to the Ross flex characteristic and should read “Test is performed by
| applying one drop of #903 oil per 6,000 flexes” | This test deviation is annotated with industry accepted Ross Flex Oil #3. | |
| c. Midsole and Outsole (Rubber Compound) – |
ii. We believe a footnote should be added behind the Cold Flex characteristic and should read
| “condition for 2 hours”. | This test deviation is annotated with industry accepted Cold Flex. | |||
| 17 | Page 23, Footnotes | a. Footnotes 10,11,12 & 13 currently include ASTM D127 and should be modified to read AATCC127 | Agree | |
| 18 | Page 28, Paragraph 4.9.3, End Item Testing | a. The 2nd sentence identifies the sample unit for all tests is one boot however; the 4th sentence states the |
sample size shall be five (5) boots. We believe the 2nd sentence should either be removed or modified to
| read five (5) boots in lieu of one boot. | Unit and size are not the same. Sample Unit is the unit of measure. Sample size is the number of units to be tested. This determination had to be made since boots come in pairs. | ||
| 19 | Page 33, Paragraph 4.10.4.3 Procedure – | a. The maximum load indicated on the machine is to be read and recorded and if the required (maximum) load |
is achieved at any time during the pull test, the test is deemed passing. Paragraphs 3.3.5.2 and 3.3.5.3 outline to test five end items and allows for one test item to fall below the required lbs. Please confirm the test would still be deemed as passing (4.10.3.3) if one test item falls below the required lbs. The blank to blank strength shall not be less than X pounds when tested as specified in Table XVI. The test shall be performed on the end item. When 5 end items are tested, no more than one test item may fall below X lbf. For the full length of the pull, no recorded value shall fail below Y lbf. Testing shall be as specified in 4.10.3.
1 test result can be below X but none below Y.
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